How the Florida recount nearly broke US politics - and its lessons for today
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- It was 249 v 246 on election night and it all came down to one state: Florida.
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The networks said Al Gore had won it, then it was too close to call, then George W. Bush had won it - before rowing back once more.
The Florida recount saw American democracy tested to the limits, showing an electoral college v popular vote split, leaving the parties and the country divided for years to come.
We speak to George W. Bush’s trial lawyer, Barry Richard, along with The Washington Post’s Karen Tumulty and Protect Democracy’s Jon Steinham.
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Imagine how different the world might be had Gore won in 2000...
No Iraq war, no rise of Isis, well on the way to fighting climate change to name a few things.
@@nateshini5832 No Iraq war for sure. As for flighting climate change, I imagine Gore would have had a tough time trying to pass any radical environmental legislation through the US system (think about how Obama struggled to get very basic health care reforms through). Though we would probably be in a better situation to where we are now.
The same. Bush and Gore are really the same team.
there still would of been a war, just not in Iraq. 9/11 still would of happened and he would of had no choice but to go to war. him being president wouldn't of changed the outcome.
@@bigceazer But as you say, no Iraq war. I agree that 9-11 and the invasion of Afghanistan would still be likely.
How is declaring a victor by a national media company before the polls have closed not illegal?! On what planet does that make sense?
I understand your frustration, but they are private corporations they can call or not call whomever they want.
They call it the way it appears at the time. 🕊️
It was a different time. There's a reason why coverage nowadays doesn't get called until it's a mathematical certainty and this is why.
It is illegal in the UK. Polling companies are banned from releasing any results until after elections have closed. It's also illegal to release any info on any counting that has happened until after the election is closed.
I am pretty sure it's illegal by now
My home state - the laughing stock of the world. Here we go again 2020
Oh don't worry, Florida doesn't need an election to be a laughing stock ;)
laughing stock ... world ^ ^
My home state Alabama is Florida's neighbor lol.
Savior of the world in this case
Not anymore.
A hand recount is clearly the Most accurate way to get the correct figures. Usually it's not necessary because the result is clear, but in this case it was close enough that small errors could change the result. How could the SC decide that it's unfair to hand recount? That makes no sense.
5 judge who voted to stop were rep when the other 4 were democrats so ..
Republicans have to Rig Elections to win preferably by the Supreme Court!
We need an independent, nationalized elections bureau
Yeah, but who can be trusted to run it? As Juvenal said, who guards the guards?
Fortunately, there has long existed a politically neutral 'electoral commission' in Canada that administers parliamentary elections at the federal level. Each province maintains a politically neutral 'electoral commission' that administers parliamentary elections at the provincial level. Moreover the 'electoral commissions' at both the federal level and the provincial level are empowered to oversee the drawing of legislative boundaries without any undue political influence. Consequently, the extraordinarily egregious political practice of hyperpartisan gerrymandering in Canada is explicitly forbidden.
I will say, break away from two party establishment and go multiparty system with elected representatives. But the question is how to change a system without creating oligarch society the way it happend to Russia in the 90s
I kinda wish Gore won
You’re in luck because he did!
Yet he still simped like a coward.
@@RyanFeatherston for who
@@ashupashu5559 I don't recall asking you anything.
I’ve been predicting that this Election will be a lot like the 2000 Election
It won't be like the 2000 election, it will be far worse and trubelent
That war game where the dems call the UN to occupy the USA itself is terrifying
@@Normal_Boii Go slow on your medicines.
@@priyamd4759 the dems were the ones who did it lol
Thanks everyone for the replies! It turned out that Joe Biden became the President-Elect which means he should become the 46th President and should take Office on January 20 2021
"I don't think it really matters, the real result", what a son of a b....
The networks won't be talking during this election. The stakes are too high.
No politician should ever concede. Just let them count the votes.
basically we don't live in a true democratic country.
Indeed...... You don't.
Very nice reportage, as usual, thanks!
A few more votes and the Iraq and Afghan war wouldn't of happened... Comes to show every single vote counts...
Afghan war wouldve still happened but not Iraq. So the world would have been a far better place without ISIS and so on
And we would be in a much better situation regarding climate change. If only...
@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Amen to that...
"critics say Trump could be shaping the narrative ahead of the election"
Oh to be young again.
The popular vote means very little in the context of the electoral college system. So much for "we the people", it's more like, "we the sponsors".
Reminder that Electoral College is garbage (:-(
How would you change? Popular vote would disenfranchise small states. Should we also forgo two senators from each state regardless of population?
Why does this man concluded "that no one question"
why did they reelect bush
why
Popular vote is the real will of the People not Electrons & Neutrons!
Pronunciation - It's elEctoral, not electOral
One thing you have to understand is the Florida republican party is the best branch in the country. While changing demographics, northern migration, and subruban shifts towards democrats they just keep finding ways to win and since 2018 have controlled all major statewide offices and a solid majority in the state legislature and house of representatives seats.
@4:32 Now its the norm..
Barry Richard HONESTLY thinks that it doesn’t really matters what the result would have been if the full recount had happened?!?! We could have had a different president, and most likely a completely different invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq! I was only 7 years old when this happened, and lived in extremely blue state of Connecticut at the time (and NOW I live it Florida where major voter suppression STILL exists in a variety of forms), and I’ve been majorly pissed off about the Supreme Court halting the full recount for 20 years!!! And now that I’ve been an active voter for almost 10 years...I’ve only seen the corruption and disenfranchisement in our electoral system grow out of control!!!
"nearly"
The hanging chad
This Channel 4 News report is FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN A U.S. ELECTION
Nope try again.
What you on mate
@@fraserstewart7359 Is Channel 4 News an American owned media outlet?
@Ynwa6 I'm not American
I was robbed
British media is one big fake news lie
Gore genial
The electoral college was designed to keep the United States together.
Without it the more populous states would always decide who the president was.
The calls to scrap it in favour of the overall electorate would mean that the East and West coasts would impose a president on the central and southern states. This would inevitably lead to calls from some states to secede.
The problem is a fundamental one with federal government.
Ta from a 🇬🇧 watcher for that explanation of a baffling situation.
The American founding fathers are right and no change should be done.
I wish gore won in 2000 and trump won in 2020. As you see these close elections were not in my favor.
Highly disagree with trump. Only difference is Gore lost by 500 votes in 1 state. Trump lost by 11,000 votes in multiple states.
If biden wins florida imma say he’ll win.
Yet Biden lost FL and won the election at 303 beating Trump at 233ish
Sorry for late answer: Biden won without Florida.
@@Grason20 printing ballots pays off.
Do those Florida Cubans even know how to read, gosh they're so dumb!
and then their was 2000 mules, how ironic.
*There.
Can we get an unbiased story? Where's the counter balance?
JAQing off, I see...
MAKE AMERICA BLUE AGAIN~USA_USA_USA_ALL THE WAY~ BIDEN/HARRIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, it’s going great isn’t it
Al Gore should have won 2000
Donald Trump should have won 2020
TRUMP2020
TRUMP 2020🇺🇸🇺🇸
To prison
@@lucius1976 to the white house. what crime has he committed?
@@bigceazer Employing his family in gouvernment, paying almost zero income taxes, using gouvernment money to help is otherwise failing enterprises, using his power to influence justice investigations, publicly doubting he will recognize the result of the elections etc.
@@lucius1976 last time i checked its not a federal crime to have family working in a presidential administration. JFK had his brother in his administration when he was president. its not a crime idiot. you know nothing about US law. paying almost zero income taxes again not illegal, no laws broken you've seen his tax returns. he would be in jail right now if it was. having concerns about a potential fraudulent election result doesn't warrant an arrest you schmuck. once again you know nothing about the justice system in my country.
Impeach President Biden.